As you may have noticed, this website is a bit stale.
Besides the huge life disruptions you are already aware of and have also impacted by, I’ve had some personal things pop up in the past year — like giving birth to my son 6 weeks early in September 2019!
That said, updating this site has gone to the wayside. I’ve been focusing more on running the TMRW IG account.
Recently, TMRW has started the Teen Revolution Network (TRN) – a community of teen activists and supporters of teens who want to connect with one another, collaborate and learn how they can bolster their own activism goals.
TRN has 14 members so far and we’ve held one group chat on Zoom, with more to come.
The first update to this site will be to add information about TRN and its members. Stay tuned!
Teen Music & Radical Wellness (TMRW) kicked off a couple years ago with a chance encounter with the gents of teen funk blues band, Foxy Apollo.
I will forever be thankful to Sam Ashkenazy (lead singer, guitar) and Satchel Swartz (the drummer at the time) for being open to chatting with a random stranger as part of her par-baked teen advocacy project idea. They will always hold a special place in my teen music and radical wellness heart.
Foxy Apollo has been gigging at a steady clip in Seattle and Bellingham. After you read the interview, go check out their show info @foxyapollo on Instagram or Facebook.
A few shots from my first and second Foxy Apollo shows.
Foxy Apollo is a teen band. This is an important detail because teenagers are, so often, written off as overly emotional or are told things like, “you’ll understand when you’re an adult.” Fuck that, I say. You don’t need to be an adult to make great music that moves people. – Odawni
A couple of months ago, I went to a show at The Rendevouz to see friends in two bands that opened for the headliner, Foxy Apollo. After the second band, my friends and I watched as five young musicians set up their equipment on stage. My friend and I looked at each other with raised eyebrows and wide-eyes. We mouthed to one another in unison, “How old are these guys?!”
Then, they started playing. I was blown away. We all were. They had great energy. There was an air of musical prowess about them. Their respect for the musical craft was palpable.
Their sound is funky and fun and sometimes gritty but always with heart. Guitarist and lead singer, Sam Ashkenazy, has a voice that carries raw, visceral emotion. Satchel Schwartz keeps the beat going on drums with such reverence and a confident coolness.
Their music has soul. It tugs at you.
I’ve mentioned before that I think teenagers are some of the most thoughtful, ingenious, inspiring, curious, adventurous, resilient, caring and highly creative people on this planet, and these two gents are no exception.
I wanted to know more about them, the band, their inspirations and aspirations. So, after the show, I hopped up on stage and asked if they’d be down for an interview. I was so excited that they obliged.
I’ve carved out some interview highlights below but you can read a more full version here.
Foxy Apollo Facts
As an introduction to the front men of Foxy Apollo, here are a few tidbits of info. Sam and Satchel:
Are 17 and grew up in Seattle. Met at summer camp just before 6th grade. They played in jazz band together at Roosevelt High School. They reconnected last year, after Sam lived on Bainbridge Island for 1.5 years, and started playing music together again. Sam started writing songs and playing live shows at Seattle venues since 13. Are currently studying audio engineering at Edmonds Community College through the Running Start program. Released their self-titled debut album in 2017.
Who’s in the band?
The band is still forming. A few people who started out in the band ended up having to leave but they made a big impact. Currently, Foxy Apollo is Sam, Satchel and Zachary Schmidt (Bassist).
What’s With the Band Name?
Sam (SA): It started with me and my cousin jamming a couple summers ago. It was kind of an inside joke. We thought it was funny. It was catchy. It didn’t really mean anything at the time…it got its meaning a lot later.
Satchel (SS): We’ve jokingly called ourselves Oxy Pollo. (Remove the first two letters.)
O (me!): Or you could be Foxy Pollo – Foxy Chicken. (haha!)
O: I heard some Nirvana and Built to Spill in your music, and my friend said he heard 90’s and 70’s rock.
SA: I could see that. 70’s rock is huge. I grew up listening to Neil Young and classic rock, and I got into indie rock in high school.
SS: Definitely 70’s funk like The Brothers Johnson. That’s so tight. I love that stuff.
Music & Mental Health
Writing Your Emotions
SA: I’ve been writing songs for a while. I started out imitating a couple musicians – mainly Nirvana. I was in a couple bands that were basically a mirror-image of Nirvana.
In high school, I was really stressed out. I was a little down. I got really into writing songs, putting words to how I felt. It kind of just like spills out of you. But yeah, it kind of all builds up and you’re like, “Oh shit, now I have a bunch of songs. Now I can do something with these!”
O: I started writing when I was fifteen because of depression. I didn’t know what it was then but, for me, I started writing poetry to get through it – poetry is like lyrics. Eventually, it turned into making music so I totally get the importance of having that creative outlet.
SA: Yeah. And, definitely, as I’ve gotten older, too. We just started going to Edmonds Community College. They have an amazing music program and access to studios so we’ve been working a lot there. Every day we’ve been trying to spill a little bit out.
“I Think I’m Mad”
0: Part of why I’m talking to you guys is because I’m interested in mental health and depression, especially teenage depression. I don’t know what it’s like to be a teenager now. Music can be such a personal thing so I was wondering about “I Think I’m Mad”– can you tell me a bit about that song?
SA: I started writing the song about drug addiction and a lot of self-analysis; it was more of a bond I shared with my cousin. We were talking about a lot of deep things but writing these really silly songs, covering it up with happy melodies but really kind of writing about more deep things that we couldn’t really completely comprehend.
O: That’s awesome. It’s awesome how music does that.
SS: Like Sam was saying, self-analysis has always been a big thing. I think with being a musician sometimes…if you’re like me, I like to practice a lot and you could go six hours and feel like you’ve gotten nothing done and you’re really hard on yourself.
It’s gotten to a point sometimes with me, where I won’t have any friends at the time, except for Sam, because I’ll shelter myself and then you realize everybody’s out and you’re like. Oh, alright I guess I’m here alone with a pad..messing around.
O: Right, and is that hard sometimes because you don’t have that social interaction with more people?
SS: Yeah, but I just put it back into music though. You go and listen to an album so it’s both a good and bad…
“I’m always gonna be making music. It’s kind of inevitable. It’s not a sacrifice for me because it’s something I’ll always do. Even if this [Foxy Apollo], specifically, doesn’t work out at some point, I’d still keep making stuff and sharing.”– Sam Ashkenazy, Lead Guitarist and Vocalist
“[W]e both want to become professional musicians or people who work with audio. Even if it’s just becoming an audio engineer or something, doing that kind of business, but I think it’s just about the love of music. Both of us wouldn’t care living in a shithole for like..I don’t know, 40 years.”
– Satchel Schwarts, Drummer
Would You Ever Work a Desk Job?
SA: We’ve been studying a lot of stuff around the music itself, too. We’ve been studying sound engineering and visiting studios and hearing a lot of audio engineering stories. I still wanna tackle the music industry and see what else you can do around it.
Obviously, there’s a chance I might end up with another job around it but I think it’d be cool to learn about all the other stuff instead of just coming [at music] from one direction.
SS: Do you think you could ever see yourself in a desk job?
SA: Fuck no.
SS: That’s a big “no.”
Facing Ageism in the Seattle Music Scene
O: There are a couple of things in your band description on FaceBook that I’m curious about, especially regarding the lack of respect you’ve experienced at live music venues in Seattle. SA: We’ve been playing at some bars and people see these kids playing –and I’ve experienced this a lot cause I’ve been playing since I was really young– and they kind of just like…
O: …write you off?
SA: Yeah. They’re kinda like, “Play your show and get the fuck outta here.” I mean, they don’t really treat you with the same respect [as adults.]
SS: We’ve played shows where I’ve literally had to set up my drum kit outside the venue and carry it in onto the stage and, right after, immediately leave.
SA: ..and get escorts to the bathroom. I mean, I get it. They’re cracking down…but it’s less about the concerns of underage drinking and more about how people view young musicians, their perspective of them.
SS: We’re like free entertainment to them and they can just treat us like crap.
O: That’s messed up. It sounds like you’ve found some places that are better about that?
Both: Oh yeah. Those are only a select few.
SA: It’s really opened our eyes and it made us realize that we really want to be doing this ourselves; not relying on others to promote us cause a lot of promoters aren’t doing their part…
O: That’s frustrating.
SS: It makes it fun though.
O: You also wrote that you have a “meticulous approach to playing” – What do you mean? Meticulous in what way?
SS: We both play in a very distinct style and they’re both very exact in their own ways, that together makes a whole new sound..it’s different.
SA: Also, aside from the style, we connect a lot to it. Each part of it is telling its own story in a way.
SS: It’s definitely a very thoughtful process…
And these are very thoughtful guys. I’m inspired by their conviction, dedication, commitment and passion to create and share their music. I have no doubt that they’ll do and become whatever it is they aspire to be, musically or otherwise.
Teen singer-songwriter, Cloe Wilder. Photo by: Chalisa Singh
“Cloe is an up-and-coming singer/songwriter from Tampa, Florida. Stated by The Hype Magazine as being “what looks to be one of the breakout artists from a new movement”, old soul’s newest sad-pop star is just getting started.””
[Scroll to the end of this post to learn more about the artist.]
Cloe’s first song, “Overthinking”, is out!
“This song means so much to me,” says Cloe, “and I’m so thrilled to be able to share it with the world.”
1. What’s your first memory of music? How old were you? What was it about music that hooked you?
If I’m being completely honest, I don’t really have an earliest memory music. I have always been a musician, and there was really no question.
I’d always surrounded myself with music, and I’ve never gone through anything that music didn’t help get me through. It’s been my life for my entire life. Music has taken me from the moment I was born, to where I am now.
2. Tell me a bit about your history with music and creating music. What was your first favorite song or album? Why? What was the impetus to start writing music? Why do you continue to write and play music?
The first album I ever connected to was Lana Del Rey’s “Born to Die” – specifically her song, “Video Games”. I was six years old when I first heard it, and that record has been a part of me for seven years now. That was the first song I ever really felt, and I could never forget it.
I’d always been singing, it was just something that happened to me. When I was eleven, I knew that I wanted to make more of it, so I recorded a few covers. They got sent to a producer, and that’s how I met my amazing team … I wrote songs with them, and I’ve been writing ever since. I love it!
I just know that music is what I’m supposed to be doing. I question my art a lot, but at the end of the day, I couldn’t imagine myself doing anything else. It’s who I am. It’s the only place where I can be emotionally free, and I could never lose that. I’d go insane without music in my life.
3. How does your craft of music creation relate to your sense of wellbeing, particularly your mind wellness? What does making music give you?
Almost all of my emotional stability comes from music. I need a place to put all of my emotions, because they’re going to overcome me if I don’t. I’m an emotional person, and my thoughts are strong. If I don’t let them out, they consume me. That’s why I write them down.
Music gives me an escape, which is something I haven’t found in anything else. Music has allowed me to find myself, and has allowed me to become someone that I want to be. There are so many benefits from it, because music affects me in different ways on different days, but it’s always what I need.
4. What are your thoughts about schools that cut music programs? Do you think schools should have music classes available? Why?
I think that all human beings need music in their life. I believe that music should be everywhere. Nobody knows what these kids are going through at home and in their lives, so school might be their only escape. Maybe their house is silent and lifeless, and school is the only life they experience. People need music because it’s a world that they can escape to when they don’t want to live in their own world.
5. Tell me about your experience as a teenager. How do you feel society views teenagers? What do adults misunderstand most?
I feel like I’ve lived several lives, so identifying with an age is difficult for me. This has made my teenage experience even harder.
I feel like society views teenagers as nothing sometimes. People blame everything on me being a “teenager”.
You shouldn’t have to be automatically labeled, because you’re a human with human emotions. People discount real mental issues, and refer to it as “teenage angst”, and in my opinion, the idea of that being a negative term died a long time ago.
Adults blame our problems on hormones when sometimes we’re just depressed. We’re anxious. We’re scared. A lot of people seem to forget that teenagers can have real emotions.
6. What do you think are the main issues teens experience? (examples include bullying via social media, lack of support at home) What do you think are the causes of these issues? Any thoughts or ideas on how to address these issues?
I believe that having your emotions not be taken seriously is one of the most hurtful things that can happen to a person. When you’re already in pain and somebody tells you that it’s not real, and you’re just being typical for your age, it can make a person crazy.
When this happens, teenagers spiral down this black hole, because nobody cares enough to help pull them out. I hate that. I think it’s just caused by people being uneducated, or refusing to believe what’s actually happening.
You just have to keep trying. Keep telling people that the way you feel is real, and keep knowing that it is. Don’t let anyone discount that … ever.
7. Do you experience any mind wellness issues (e.g. depression, anxiety) – first- or second-hand? If so, how do you deal with them or how do you support someone who deals with them? Does music fit in, and if so, how?
I have depression and anxiety … and it’s been my life for a while. I’m 13, and I would say a lot of those 13 years have been filled with panic attacks and days where I just couldn’t seem to get out of bed – no matter how awake I was.
Music and writing help me deal with all of it. I can turn something so terrifyingly twisted into art. I wouldn’t want to cope with my anxiety and depression in any other way.
9. TMRW aims to dispel the ageist –and very incorrect!– perspective of teens as being “lazy,” “dramatic,” “overly-sensitive”, etc. Do you have any words to counter this pervasive perspective? What do you think teens have to offer the community?
Every teenager is different. Teenagers shouldn’t have to keep struggling through their feelings, constantly being ignored. It’s awful. Teenagers are finding themselves, just like everyone else is. We need emotional support, just like everyone else does.
The teenage generation is starting to become more open with their emotions because they’re beginning to realize that what they’re feeling isn’t wrong – and that is amazing.
“Emerging in 2019 as a true artist to watch in the dark/sad music space, Cloe is a force to be reckoned with. Armed with incredibly powerful songwriting skills, in addition to a voice beyond her years, Cloe crafts melancholic, yet fiercely relatable songs that touch the deepest parts of the human psyche. Championing the concept of accepting one’s mental health issues, pushing for equality, and embracing imperfection, she is light years beyond the typical young musician. Cloe will be releasing original music, and covers, over the span of the upcoming year that is guaranteed to comfort listeners through their varied emotions, to allow them to feel the intensity of their deepest thoughts, and to display that Cloe does not have the edge of a sword, but instead, like a rose with thorns.”
“Knockout” is Skyler DiMora-Franklin (guitar, vocals), Damian Whittaker (drums, vocals), and Justice Azcarate (bass, vocals). Photos courtesy of “Knockout.”
I’m super excited to post this interview and share “New Generation”– a song off of Knockout’s upcoming album release, “Runaway.” !!! OUT DEC 21st !!!
Per the band, “the album has 15 tracks and is a banger.” 🤘
Check out their just released music video for “New Generation” and read on!
Video created by Michael Szeman.
Lead singer, Skyler, and I had a lovely FaceTime chat the other week; in true almost-fourty-year-old-form, I screwed up and didn’t catch the audio – doh!
I’m super bummed because Skyler had some great stories and insight into what life is like for teens today. I embedded the interview video at the bottom of this post in case there are any lip readers out there. Feel free to transcribe and send to me. 😜
Thankfully, Damian and Justice took time to respond to my questions via text – thanks guys – all of you!
Describe your music using three words and two emojis:
(I didn’t listen to punk as a teen so I don’t know much about the genre but if these guys were kicking it back in the day, I totally would have rocked out to their stuff! I hear elements of “The Beach Boys,” “The Pixies,” “Green Day,” and “Dashboard Confessional” in their music. I’m struck by their super tight performance and their harmonic layered vocals – solid.)
How does music fit into your lives? How does music –listening to and/or creating– relate to your sense of self? How does music relate to your mind wellness?
Music IS my life. Practically everything I do is somehow related to music. I’m always practicing, writing, and listening to music.
It helps put me at ease. It’s not easy for me to open up to a lot of people, and music helps me express the feelings and emotions I have built up in a healthy way. I think I’d go crazy if I didn’t have music as an outlet.
It’s all about expressing yourself. One of the best feelings in the world for me is someone telling me a song I wrote helped them in some way. That makes me happier than almost anything else. (Damian)
Music is a great get away from all the problems the world has to offer. Although it’s not the only outlet for me, it is one of the most common outlets I use to clear my head of serious family issues and/or common day to day issues. Music seems to be most effective when you are most sad. (Justice)
What do you think are the most difficult things teens are dealing with in your generation?
I feel like every generation of teenagers deal with this, but I feel like our opinions and feelings are brushed off and not taken seriously because we’re young. (Damian)
The most difficult thing teens deal with is the pressure of social media and all the negative things that circle within our generation these days. (Justice)
What do you think adults misunderstand most about teenagers?
Many adults group all teenagers together. If one kid or one group of kids get caught doing hardcore drugs, suddenly every kid in your school is a drug addict. Stuff like that.
And again, our opinions and feelings are swept under the rug because we’re young, but I think someone’s opinions and feelings matter equally, regardless of what age they are. (Damian)
Parents mostly don’t understand it’s a new era. Parents need to attempt to adapt to the “new generation” of technology that they never had when they were young adults. (Justice)
New song: “New Generation”
What’s the background of your song, “New Generation”? What inspired it? Who are you referring to as the “new generation”?
The “new generation” we’re referring to is our own. Obviously not everyone is a moron, but some people that I encounter just make me ashamed to be associated with, as far as being grouped with them in the same generation. (Damian)
What are some of the “shitty trends” you refer to in the lyrics?
I’m just not a fan of trends to begin with just because I don’t like hopping on bandwagons, and most trends are that exactly. (Damian)
If you were to write a follow-up song about what you think needs to happen to counter the new generation’s “stupidity,” what would some of your lyrics be?
I would just focus on how people should open their eyes. Often times people act without thinking, and if they took more time to think rationally, they’d be a lot smarter. I’m guilty of it too. Everyone in the band is. Everyone in the world is.
We’re human, we make mistakes and do stupid things, but if we can emphasize the importance of thinking rationally, we wouldn’t have to write as many songs about the stupidity of our generation. (Damian)
“New Generation” Lyrics
I can’t seem to see past your point of view. All these shitty trends are like gum stuck to my shoe.
People are just getting worse. Stupidity must be a curse. Things are just getting worse. I want a way from this new generation. Seeing my reflection through a broken mirror in a bathroom stall. Another fire alarm is set off in the sophomore hall.
This room is getting hotter and hotter like pins against my skin. Now I’m asking myself, “How much more of this can I stand?”
In another century this will fall. And no one there will remember us at all.
Things are just getting worse. I want a way from this new generation. I want away! I want away! I want away from this new generation!
And anyone in the community who’s interested in participating!
Kenneth Huntington (Seattle multi-media artist and gallery owner, “Phantom Realms“)
Rhiannon Palmer (Bellingham teen and my niece(!), 18)
TMRW is a community-oriented project so I’d like connect with anyone who wants to make an impact on TMRW.
You don’t need to be in the Seattle area to participate! If I can attend a live show, I definitely do!
You don’t need to be a teen! I’d love to talk to teen mental health advocates of any age.
You don’t need to be a musician! It would be amazing to talk with parents/caregivers of teens experiencing mental health issues, counselors who work with teens etc.
For musician participants, I want to know more about your music, your creative process, and how your music relates to mind wellness. Check out previous interviews to get an idea of the kinds of conversations I’ve had with musicians so far!
The main goal is to chat with anyone about teen mental health. I’m open to connecting in any way that works for you (e.g. email, Skype, in-person interview, carrier pigeon, Morse code) 😉